Prabhupāda: Where did he get this idea, not to trust me? . . . (indistinct)
Govinda dāsī: So that's what I was trying to ask.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Govinda dāsī: That's what I was trying to ask.
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Govinda dāsī: That was the reason that I was trying to ask those questions.
Prabhupāda: He has become impersonal. He is simply out of the jurisdiction of personal care. The guru is personal or Kṛṣṇa is impersonal?
Govinda dāsī: He speaks of the guru principle and that his spiritual master is within his heart, and that . . . and he doesn't accept the personal service of the physical manifestation.
Prabhupāda: He does not understand. Don't . . . (indistinct) . . . who cares for his philosophy?
Govinda dāsī: Not for very long. I am simply concerned for him.
Prabhupāda: That is natural, but if he wants to avoid being saved, then how can you save him?
Govinda dāsī: Yes.
Prabhupāda: If he wants to commit suicide, then who can save him? He will do it . . . (indistinct)
Devotee: He's downstairs in the morning.
Prabhupāda: What he doing?
Devotee: I don't know. I stay up here during ārati in case you mean . . .
Prabhupāda: Govinda?
Govinda dāsī: Thank you, Śrīla Prabhupāda.