Prabhupāda: Either you are in ignorance or in knowledge, both cases you are individual.
Indian man (1): In knowledge also we are individual?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Indian man (1): How?
Prabhupāda: Knowledge means...
Dr. Patel: Knowledge of God.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Knowledge means knowledge of yourself. When you are actually in knowledge, then you will surrender to Kṛṣṇa. Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate (BG 7.19). That is knowledge. So long you do not surrender to Kṛṣṇa, you are in ignorance. Now, in ignorance, in ignorance I am surrendering to my wife, and in knowledge I'll have to surrender to Kṛṣṇa.
Indian man (1): Correct.
Prabhupāda: That's all.