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| Devotee: (reading from Kṛṣṇa book, 'Delivery of the Message of Kṛṣṇa to the Gopīs') " ' So Lord Rāmacandra, as a kṣatriya, should have fought with Vāli face to face but, instigated by His friend, He killed him from behind a tree. Thus He deviated from the religious principles of a kṣatriya. Also, He was so attracted by the beauty of Sita that He converted Śūrpaṇakhā, the sister of Rāvaṇa, into a ugly women by cutting off her nose and ears. Śūrpaṇakhā proposed an intimate relationship with Him, and as a kṣatriya He should have satisfied her. But He was so selfish that He could not forget Sītā-devī and converted Śūrpaṇakhā into an ugly women. | | Devotee: (reading from ''Kṛṣṇa'' book, 'Delivery of the Message of Kṛṣṇa to the ''Gopīs''') "So Lord Rāmacandra, as a ''kṣatriya'', should have fought with Vāli face to face but, instigated by His friend, He killed him from behind a tree. Thus He deviated from the religious principles of a ''kṣatriya''. Also, He was so attracted by the beauty of Sita that He converted Śūrpaṇakhā, the sister of Rāvaṇa, into a ugly women by cutting off her nose and ears. Śūrpaṇakhā proposed an intimate relationship with Him, and as a ''kṣatriya'' He should have satisfied her. But He was so selfish that He could not forget Sītā-devī and converted Śūrpaṇakhā into an ugly women." |
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| Prabhupāda: This is called real love—that the lover may be most cruel, but still the lover cannot withdraw the love. That is perfect love. Āśliṣya vā pāda-ratāṁ ([[Vanisource:CC Antya 20.47|CC Antya 20.47, Śikṣāṣṭaka 8]]). This is Vaiṣṇava philosophy. "Kṛṣṇa may be very cruel, but I cannot withdraw my love for Him." This is real love. "If Kṛṣṇa benefits me, then I will love," then that is not love; that is business. | | Prabhupāda: This is called real love—that the lover may be most cruel, but still the lover cannot withdraw the love. That is perfect love. ''Āśliṣya vā pāda-ratāṁ'' ([[vanisource:CC Antya 20.47|CC Antya 20.47, Śikṣāṣṭaka 8]]). This is Vaiṣṇava philosophy. "Kṛṣṇa may be very cruel, but I cannot withdraw my love for Him." This is real love. "If Kṛṣṇa benefits me, then I will love," then that is not love, that is business. |
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