Prabhupāda: So why they are thinking independently?
Keśavalāl Trivedi: Unless we have got the identity, correct identity, we cannot be independent.
Prabhupāda: What is this?
Mahāmṣa: This is keys for the lock, Prabhupāda. It fell down.
Prabhupāda: I think somebody has left.
Keśavalāl Trivedi: Yes, there is lock and chain.
Mahāmṣa: This way, Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Which way? This is natural lake or...?
Mahāmṣa: Yes, Prabhupāda. It never dries up. It stays full all year round.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Gigantic. Like the Hyderabad lake.
Mahāmṣa: It looks bigger than the Hyderabad lake.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Bigger.
Prabhupāda: (break) So if you are not independent, what is the value of your thinking independently?
Keśavalāl Trivedi: Absolutely none. None.
Prabhupāda: But everyone is thinking independently.
Keśavalāl Trivedi: Yes. That is māyā. That is the māyā, that which is not.
Prabhupāda: They are making plans, theories, "ism." What is the value of this?