Indian man: (Hindi) (dogs barking) (break)
Dr. Patel: ...dog and the other. That is the bulldog and the Russian...
Prabhupāda: Who is defeated? He is Russian dog?
Brahmānanda: German.
Dr. Patel: They have crossed the dog with the, what you call, the bull.
Brahmānanda: German shepherd.
Dr. Patel: So Germany is defeated, no?
Prabhupāda: The bulldogs are English?
Dr. Patel: They are English. And Mr. Churchill is the representative of all the bulldogs. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...thinking, "I am English dog," (laughter) and he is thinking, "I am..." And the man is also thinking like that. What is the difference?
Dr. Patel: Both are animals.
Prabhupāda: Yasyātmā buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke (SB 10.84.13).
Dr. Patel: That's right. We have got a dvija, dvija-karma kriya. Dvijā-karma-kriya? What do you call it?
Prabhupāda: Saṁskāra.
Dr. Patel: All are born as animal.
Prabhupāda: Saṁskārād bhaved dvijaḥ.
Dr. Patel: Saṁskāra, yes. Dvija-saṁskāra. Second birth.
Prabhupāda: That saṁskāra is now stopped; therefore all of them are animals. Yes. (break) The murgis, (chickens) they are in the cowshed?