Prabhupāda: Vedic civilization is in the forest. Go to the forest.
Hari-śauri: Renounce.
Prabhupāda: Neither in the city nor in the village. Go to the forest.
Lokanātha: But there were cities like Dvārakā.
Prabhupāda: That is another thing, but the ideal is vanaṁ gato yad dharim āśrayeta [SB 7.5.5]. Go to the forest and depend on Kṛṣṇa and live there. And that is perfection. Vanaṁ gato yad dharim āśrayeta [SB 7.5.5]. Go to the forest and remain, depending on Kṛṣṇa. That's all.