Haṁsadūta: And the nirvāṇa conception of life is just before Brahman?
Prabhupāda: Nirvāṇa conception is marginal position between brahma-jyotir and this material world.
Haṁsadūta: Just on the brink.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Kāraṇārṇava. Kāraṇārṇava. The Kāraṇa Ocean wherefrom the beginning of creation, material creation, that is nirvāṇa.
Devotee (4): Virajā.
Prabhupāda: Virajā, yes.
Revatīnandana: Is it possible to go there?
Prabhupāda: Why not? Yes.
Devotee (4): Arjuna went there.
Prabhupāda: Yes.