Mahāṁśa: He wasn't even political man, because politics means there has to be violence.
Prabhupāda: No, impartially studying, he endeavored for upliftment of the South African Indians, South Africans, yes, Johannesburg.
Brahmānanda: In Durban he started.
Prabhupāda: Ah, in Durban. That was failure. The Indians haven't got any position still.
Jayatīrtha: None.
Prabhupāda: None. So that twenty years, failure, and here also he started that nonviolence-thirty years. In 1917 he came here from Africa, and the nonviolent, noncooperation... Actually the Hitler's war in 1947 helped India to become independent, the Hitler's cooperation with Subash Bose, INA. When he organized the soldiers, then Britishers thought, "No more chance." Then they left India. Not for the nonviolence. These are artificial things, in politics nonviolence.
Mahāṁśa: You two were working together?
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Mahāṁśa: Yourself and Gandhi were together for some time?
Prabhupāda: In the beginning I was, 1920. No, everyone, every young man joined. (someone yelling in background) What is that? So ārati you can join, yes.
Devotees: Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda. (end)