Lady guest (2): But why are we given this body, to live here?
Prabhupāda: Because you wanted to enjoy this material world. Therefore . . . in the spiritual world, the enjoyer is Kṛṣṇa.
- bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ
- sarva-loka-maheśvaram
- suhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānāṁ
- (BG 5.29)
He is the only enjoyer. But as soon as you desire that you want to enjoy independent of Kṛṣṇa, you are transferred to this material world.
Lady guest (2): But where do we get all our passions from, anyway? They have to be born, don't they?
Prabhupāda: No, you have got the . . . because you are part and parcel of God, so God is the complete enjoyer. So you have also that spirit to enjoy. But when you forget this principle that you cannot enjoy independently, you can enjoy along with Kṛṣṇa—then you are perfect. But as soon as you want to enjoy independently, then you come to the material world. Here in this material world, everyone is trying to enjoy life independently. Now we are simply teaching, "No, that is not possible." If you want to enjoy independently, then you become subjected to the laws of material nature.